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I vote.... most of the time its literally so I can bitch about what was voted in.  (it makes sense in my head)

 

The major issue I am seeing is that I truly believe 'right minded' individuals today feel like they have zero say in the matter, so why bother.

 

The left has this down to a science.  When it comes to registered voters, the last I saw was 40 percent of all registered voters were democrat, 29% Republican and 28% Independent. This past midterm was the highest turnout of registered voters vs eligible voters at 47%.  Yes, an estimated 53% of the population that CAN vote, didn't even register. Last closest numbers to this midterm was 1966, when 49% of eligible voters showed up.

 

The conservative right, needs to do better.  I know we are busy.  I know we 'simply dont have time' . This is why we are getting our asses handed to us.  Our priorities are out of whack.  We need to stand up and start changing it. Campaigns and support to get the masses out to vote.  THEN campaigns and masses to actually make their mark on the ballot.  I gave a 2 hour paid period of time at the end of the day for my guys to go vote for example.  I didn't give two craps WHO they voted for (99.9999% sure they all lean way right) . I just care that they go out and did it.  Couple hours early at the end of voting day was incentive to do so.  All I requested was a picture of the polling place.

 

I do feel we are going to be in Venezuelas footsteps very soon.  Rioting and protesting in the streets because we rolled over and let 'them' pull our teeth before we became pissed enough to need them.

 

 

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Yup. At ots heart, 1639 is legislation that gives definitions to things that were previously undefined. Now that thinhs have a legal definition, they will now go after and ban the things that are defined. As you read thru the stuff on the books for this year, you will see how it all dovetails together. It really is bad juju.

 

if we are honest, most any new legislation is either unenforceable, or violates some part of the constitution.  

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I didn't even both reading most of this thread. Its not worth it to me at this point in my life. I was going to only point out 4 words when I noticed Donyo beat me to it.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

 

There is more of 1639 that is illegal but its entire existence goes against the four words above. 

 

I've reached a point I won't debate any gun issue. I won't try to "educate" or change anyone's mind. Anti-gun people will NEVER give in, NEVER learn, NEVER give up and NEVER quit until ALL guns are banned and confiscated. Gun rights have been giving little victories to the banners for over a hundred years and they still want more, always want more. If ALL semiauto guns were banned today, next year they will go after more. They will never stop and their numbers will never go away or dwindle. The ONLY way of the future is willful disarmament of the people or war. America will either willfully give up its guns or it will form separate states of freedom and states of socialist ideals. And if those two types of states don't get along, the result is war.

 

Anti-gun people are like a chihuahua who nonstop barks and nips at your heels. It won't learn, it won't listen. The only way to make it stop is to kill it.

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PS. Rest assured you can all guess which group of states I will be in. I am already at the point of willing to pull a trigger....

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I really don’t want to hurt anyone.... but I’m not giving up anything.

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11 hours ago, SMOKN05 said:

I didn't even both reading most of this thread. Its not worth it to me at this point in my life. I was going to only point out 4 words when I noticed Donyo beat me to it.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

 

There is more of 1639 that is illegal but its entire existence goes against the four words above. 

 

I've reached a point I won't debate any gun issue. I won't try to "educate" or change anyone's mind. Anti-gun people will NEVER give in, NEVER learn, NEVER give up and NEVER quit until ALL guns are banned and confiscated. Gun rights have been giving little victories to the banners for over a hundred years and they still want more, always want more. If ALL semiauto guns were banned today, next year they will go after more. They will never stop and their numbers will never go away or dwindle. The ONLY way of the future is willful disarmament of the people or war. America will either willfully give up its guns or it will form separate states of freedom and states of socialist ideals. And if those two types of states don't get along, the result is war.

 

Anti-gun people are like a chihuahua who nonstop barks and nips at your heels. It won't learn, it won't listen. The only way to make it stop is to kill it.

I agree with every word above. The only these people will learn is sadly when it effects them personally as in they are attacked and cannot defend themselves and are not carrying a cop with them to do it. 

I have no intention of leaving no matter how bad it gets but I no intention of giving up or giving in either. We definitely need a "correction" I feel it will happen. 

Like Ted Nugent said when Obama was elected it woke a sleeping giant but anti's wont believe it till the giant kicks them in the teeth. 

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We have our own issues in Canada but the anti sentiment spills over the border in the form of attitudes and outspoken people coming north to speak at rallys and agitate our antis even further.

I wish those ignorant twits would stay home and mind their own darn business.

Maybe invite them fishing in a leaky boat with no life jackets!

 

 

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Not leaving either.

 

I have even reached out to the local VFW and offered to give free long range precision classes 

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Not leaving either.
 
I have even reached out to the local VFW and offered to give free long range precision classes 
That's cool! If I had any guns I might be interested in that.

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Lmao.

 

IMHO, of you feel like you need to hide your stuff, it's actually time to get your stuff out and be ready.

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2 hours ago, Diesel Freak said:

Not leaving either.

 

I have even reached out to the local VFW and offered to give free long range precision classes 

They might be able to teach you a thing or two as well.

 

Many years ago, Shawn and I shot at an M1 Garand match (all targets at 200yds) in Longview (they had loaner rifles since neither of us own any firearms).  Some of those old guys that probably used their rifles in war out shot the entire group.  If I recall correctly, the high score was something like 187/200 by a guy that looked like he might have been a WWII vet.

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Not a WWI vet but potentially a WWII vet.
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The problem with 1639 is it labels every semi automatic rifle as a semiautomatic "assault" rifle. The way they have described it is exactly the way it is described by US law, except they added Assault. What this does, is label every single semi automatic rifle as an automatic assault rifle, therefore when they keep pushing their new laws they want and say automatic assault rifles are illegal. All of a sudden all of your rifles under the definition of US law are now deemed assault and therefore illegal. I think some people missed that when they voted on it, I am sure there are libs and dems that hunt, well now their rifles would be illegal too.

 

18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions
(28) The term “semiautomatic rifle” means any repeating rifle which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.>

 

- Cornell Law School 18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions

 

"Semiautomatic assault rifle" means any rifle which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.
 

Secretary of State - Initiative Measure No. 1639 - finaltext_1531.pdf

 

Because of this I will never legally own a firearm in this state... Or post pictures of gun parts or ammunition, unless it's for a sale at my cousins gun shop... but that's different.

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https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/02/06/caught-on-video-man-shoots-school-bus-on-i-35w-in-minneapolis/

 

This. This right here is why I am done. I'm done talking, teaching, everything. There is no more compromising, nothing. I will not even both marching for my gun rights, calling politicians etc. It does no good. Voting is a joke and doesn't work. Voting won't fix squat when the entire pool of people is corrupt ad worthless.

 

There IS a way to fix all this violence and it starts with firearm education. If gun education was mandatory in every grade from 1st through 12th, firearm training, shooting, cleaning, storage and care, by NRA certified instructors, there would be tremendously less people doing stupid crap with guns. But this will NEVER happen, ever. 

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Ugh...unintended consequences.

 

Militia looney types are converging on my town. Patriot Prayer is afdiliated with the Prowd Boys, and they always brawl with ANTIFA.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, megacabcummins said:

The problem with 1639 is it labels every semi automatic rifle as a semiautomatic "assault" rifle. The way they have described it is exactly the way it is described by US law, except they added Assault. What this does, is label every single semi automatic rifle as an automatic assault rifle, therefore when they keep pushing their new laws they want and say automatic assault rifles are illegal. All of a sudden all of your rifles under the definition of US law are now deemed assault and therefore illegal. I think some people missed that when they voted on it, I am sure there are libs and dems that hunt, well now their rifles would be illegal too.

 

18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions
(28) The term “semiautomatic rifle” means any repeating rifle which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.>

 

- Cornell Law School 18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions

 

"Semiautomatic assault rifle" means any rifle which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.
 

Secretary of State - Initiative Measure No. 1639 - finaltext_1531.pdf

 

Because of this I will never legally own a firearm in this state... Or post pictures of gun parts or ammunition, unless it's for a sale at my cousins gun shop... but that's different.

 

I have huge issues with I1639 on so many levels. One you mentioned above. What I want to know is, what part of it is unconstitutional? The reason I ask is I believe it isn’t unconstitutional. It certainly has the potential to be. But as it sits today, it isn’t. Even if they say if your gun is stolen and it is used in a crime, you could be held accountable. Technically this doesn’t go against Heller vs. DC since they are not telling you that you have to have your guns secured. Just that there could be consequences if you don’t. 

 

The reason I am asking this is I am trying to figure out how this initiative got this far. I believe it is a very well, thought out attack on the 2nd. I also think it is just the beginning.

 

I am with Shawn. I will continue to vote. But I really don’t think it will do any good. I just want to be able to say I did my part. I’m going to keep a level head and be prepared. There are fanatics on both sides. I’m hoping cooler heads prevail before the extremists send us all down a path we really don’t want to go...

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8 hours ago, Diesel Freak said:

Lmao.

 

IMHO, of you feel like you need to hide your stuff, it's actually time to get your stuff out and be ready.

Feel the same on this. Being 1639 saying 18 year old's are not mentally mature enough to own or purchase a 10/22 until you're 21 than the same goes for voting and joining the military.

 

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2 hours ago, Greg said:

Feel the same on this. Being 1639 saying 18 year old's are not mentally mature enough to own or purchase a 10/22 until you're 21 than the same goes for voting and joining the military.

 

I understand your point, but actually, the military will not accept a 18yo that is mentally unstable.

 As i posted before, most 18yo are very competent,  but there are some that are not responable enough.

 These kids often are single parrent hoseholds without a positive male role models. 

 I do agree with everthing that has been posted.

 All you have to do is look at Prohibition,  and illegal drugs to see that making something illegal does not equal controlling it. 

 I do not own a AR and probably never will, they are just not practical for me.

 My opinion a hand gun is better for personal protection, and if i need more than a couple of rounds in my hutting rifles, I shouldn't be hunting.

 

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I have worked with a nonstop fresh crop of 18-20yr olds entering the military for the last 31yrs. I can assure you that there are PLENTY of mentally unstable kids currently serving. Two examples are Billy who is now "Bailey and has a penis and D cup breasts on the tax payer's dime and Jeremy who is now Janelle. They both are equally worthless and do nothing at work, can't be trusted and typically just sit alone and play on their phones. And before you say the reason I say they can't be trusted is because they're trans, that's not true. They can't be trusted because they honestly screw up every single job they are assigned, don't even attempt to get along with their straight coworkers and simply don't do their job.

 

Not to mention the drag queen I also have to work with that will get straight guys busted in a heartbeat for saying anything slightly innuendo or such but yet he will make all kinds of gay innuendo nonstop because no one will call him out on it.

 

And the mentally unstable doesn't end with the gay trans crowd. Mentally stable folks don't commit suicide. Read the article I posted in the state of your military thread. Broken doesn't come close to describing it.

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^^^ very well stated ^^^

 

I cannot comment but the mental health impaired can and will without consequence.

 

The pendulum has swung too far. 

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Amendment II

A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

 

These words were written by men with more honesty and integrity and willingness to put THIER COUNTRY ahead of their own political agenda and think about the future rather than this minute.

Every other decision or ruling on these words are nothing more than attempts to rewrite what cannot be rewritten because these are the words this country if founded on. Along with the words, In God we trust and One Nation under God indivisible 

so (in my opinion) to answer your original question Ben it is unconstitutional there are no grey areas here no matter how hard politicians and lawyers and big money lobbyists want there to be. 

 

while we are on the subject of words and whether or not they are constitutional the words political correctness are inherently unconstitutional according to our right to free speech. This to me is every bit as much an assault on our freedom as the attacks on the second amendment. 

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12 hours ago, Bob V said:

I understand your point, but actually, the military will not accept a 18yo that is mentally unstable.

 As i posted before, most 18yo are very competent,  but there are some that are not responable enough.

 These kids often are single parrent hoseholds without a positive male role models. 

 I do agree with everthing that has been posted.

 All you have to do is look at Prohibition,  and illegal drugs to see that making something illegal does not equal controlling it. 

 I do not own a AR and probably never will, they are just not practical for me.

 My opinion a hand gun is better for personal protection, and if i need more than a couple of rounds in my hutting rifles, I shouldn't be hunting.

 

Being they grouped everyone in the 18 year old age group not being of mature mind, you then must repeal the 26th amendment on the same basis.

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