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#2
marksmith 
Posted 25 July 2008 - 12:07 PM
I dont know.
I have access to a set of plans for a hydrogen generator that will work on our trucks. The guys that are sharing this went to eastern Oregon this week to vacation and run around. This was also the 'shakedown' run to figure if it actually works. The parts are about 20 bucks at the local hardware store.
I'll post 'em up when I get ahold of them.
IMHO the returns that system might be seeing is the 'map sensor' adjustments making the car run lean (bad idea)
I have access to a set of plans for a hydrogen generator that will work on our trucks. The guys that are sharing this went to eastern Oregon this week to vacation and run around. This was also the 'shakedown' run to figure if it actually works. The parts are about 20 bucks at the local hardware store.
I'll post 'em up when I get ahold of them.
IMHO the returns that system might be seeing is the 'map sensor' adjustments making the car run lean (bad idea)
#3
FrankenDezul
Posted 25 July 2008 - 01:48 PM
After seeing/thinking about this, it has to be snake oil.
1 - You would need to replace said gas/diesel with the same out of water/hydro because the injectors are still going to squirt the same about of fuel unless the ecm is re-programed.
2 - The output of the hydrogen would great enough that all you do is rest your foot on the go pedal and your making hwy speeds.
Lean gasser = burnt internal parts - not good.
That's my .0257
1 - You would need to replace said gas/diesel with the same out of water/hydro because the injectors are still going to squirt the same about of fuel unless the ecm is re-programed.
2 - The output of the hydrogen would great enough that all you do is rest your foot on the go pedal and your making hwy speeds.
Lean gasser = burnt internal parts - not good.
That's my .0257
This post has been edited by FrankenDezul: 25 July 2008 - 01:49 PM
#4
Vaughn MacKenzie
Posted 25 July 2008 - 07:31 PM
QUOTE (FrankenDezul @ Jul 25 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After seeing/thinking about this, it has to be snake oil.
1 - You would need to replace said gas/diesel with the same out of water/hydro because the injectors are still going to squirt the same about of fuel unless the ecm is re-programed.
2 - The output of the hydrogen would great enough that all you do is rest your foot on the go pedal and your making hwy speeds.
Lean gasser = burnt internal parts - not good.
That's my .0257
1 - You would need to replace said gas/diesel with the same out of water/hydro because the injectors are still going to squirt the same about of fuel unless the ecm is re-programed.
2 - The output of the hydrogen would great enough that all you do is rest your foot on the go pedal and your making hwy speeds.
Lean gasser = burnt internal parts - not good.
That's my .0257
I'm thinking it's not intended to replace the primary fuel but to suplement it and enhance MPG. The injectors will still do their job, inject diesel, but with another fuel (assuming it works) providing some of the power the ECM will dial back fuel output to maintain X RPM for X throttle position.
Eric Buckle in TDR spent some $$ buying some hydrogen system to install in his '01, going to watch that thread:
http://www.turbodies...tor-trucks.html
#5
willyslover
Posted 25 July 2008 - 08:02 PM
good ol Eric .. nice guy , walks to a different drummer and has a unique idea of "cool" LOL
at MM's in the past several of us would have to find a way to get away from him 'cause after you said hi he became your new best friend LOL
at MM's in the past several of us would have to find a way to get away from him 'cause after you said hi he became your new best friend LOL
This post has been edited by willyslover: 25 July 2008 - 08:04 PM
#6
Bob V
Posted 25 July 2008 - 09:07 PM
QUOTE (willyslover @ Jul 25 2008, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
good ol Eric .. nice guy , walks to a different drummer and has a unique idea of "cool" LOL
at MM's in the past several of us would have to find a way to get away from him 'cause after you said hi he became your new best friend LOL
at MM's in the past several of us would have to find a way to get away from him 'cause after you said hi he became your new best friend LOL
Did you type that out loud??????????
#7
Diesel Freak
Posted 28 July 2008 - 05:11 PM
100% Crap
The energy it takes to break the H-O-H Bonds in MORE than the energy you are returned when you burn the H2 again...oh and since the engine is already <30% efficient...well, you see where I am going...
The energy it takes to break the H-O-H Bonds in MORE than the energy you are returned when you burn the H2 again...oh and since the engine is already <30% efficient...well, you see where I am going...
#8
carl20320
Posted 28 July 2008 - 05:21 PM
QUOTE (Diesel Freak @ Jul 28 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
100% Crap
The energy it takes to break the H-O-H Bonds in MORE than the energy you are returned when you burn the H2 again...oh and since the engine is already <30% efficient...well, you see where I am going...
The energy it takes to break the H-O-H Bonds in MORE than the energy you are returned when you burn the H2 again...oh and since the engine is already <30% efficient...well, you see where I am going...
Ding Ding Ding! Someone remembers their P-Chem.
#9
livingez_123
Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:04 PM
QUOTE (Diesel Freak @ Jul 28 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
100% Crap
The energy it takes to break the H-O-H Bonds in MORE than the energy you are returned when you burn the H2 again...oh and since the engine is already <30% efficient...well, you see where I am going...
The energy it takes to break the H-O-H Bonds in MORE than the energy you are returned when you burn the H2 again...oh and since the engine is already <30% efficient...well, you see where I am going...
You just had to shoot him down
#10
Ford_Forgotton
Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:31 PM
Thats nothing, at least he's just asking about it and not trying to sell it like one of the guys on my NWFD site.
#11
stangpwr71
Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:32 PM
QUOTE (Diesel Freak @ Jul 28 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
100% Crap
The energy it takes to break the H-O-H Bonds in MORE than the energy you are returned when you burn the H2 again...oh and since the engine is already <30% efficient...well, you see where I am going...
The energy it takes to break the H-O-H Bonds in MORE than the energy you are returned when you burn the H2 again...oh and since the engine is already <30% efficient...well, you see where I am going...
BUT BUT BUT CLIFF!.... arnt you forgeting the benifit of the oxegon atom too?
and the fact most people will drive nicer subconsiuly and create there own improvement
#12
Diesel Freak
Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:44 PM
lol...oxygen smoxygen
it is an OXIDIZER...not a fuel...and since diesels run lean anyway...what good is more of something that is not fully utilized on the first place
it is an OXIDIZER...not a fuel...and since diesels run lean anyway...what good is more of something that is not fully utilized on the first place
#13
Diesel Freak
Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:48 PM
QUOTE (livingez_123 @ Jul 28 2008, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You just had to shoot him down
yep. Read the website.....nothing but hype!!!
#14
199712valve
Posted 28 July 2008 - 11:55 PM
QUOTE (Diesel Freak @ Jul 28 2008, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yep. Read the website.....nothing but hype!!!
The pendelton is tasting rather fine right now....very smooth!!! (good pic!!)
#15
Diesel Freak
Posted 29 July 2008 - 07:45 AM
LOL...at a party two weeks ago, we went through over a gallon of the stuff!!!
fun times!!
fun times!!
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